|I am both half
Catholic and half Protestant Evangelist. I have the utmost respect
and understanding for both the Catholic Church's and Protestant
traditions! But, in these "Later Days", should I see either of
them get close to becoming, morphing into, or give into the coming
one world religion --I would quickly defect. Many hard line
Christians are mistaken in believing this coming one world religion
will consist of only Catholics and Protestants. I believe it
will be much more than that. Protestants and Catholics have
always been the same religion anyways (both Christians adoring Jesus)! They are
merely different denominations; different "departments" of the
ship--but with both having the same goal.
I can tell you one thing I
know for certain, Protestants, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Messianic Jews all make
up the "Body of Christ". Those who follow Jesus and
His teachings are His "Body".
Early in Church history we
were all one Catholic (meaning universal), apostolic church.
There are good and valid reasons why we are split over positional
authority. But there is no good reason why we should not love
and try to understand each other. Both Catholics and
Protestants have added immeasurably to Christianity through
different traditions. See the Church as being one in Romans
12:4-5, 1 Corinthians 10:17 and 12:13.
The Catholic Church has existed since the time of the apostles.
Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from the unity with the pope in
1054 A.D. Protestant churches came about during the
Reformation which began to happen in 1517 A.D. The
popes/bishops of Rome can be traced back in the Catholic Church to
Peter. The bishop of Rome who succeeded Peter was Linus.
Linus is mentioned by 2 Timothy 4:21. Despite some of the
Catholic leaders over the centuries having been unwise, corrupt and
some prone to heresy - the Catholic Church itself has existed for
almost 2000 years. Jesus was aware that members of His church
would be both good and bad. The word "Catholic" means
Universal. The Catholic Church has been known by this name
since as early as 107 A.D., when Bishop Ignatius (of Antioch) used
the word Catholic to describe the church passed from Jesus to the
A good reason for Apostolic tradition:
The passage by
Although for the most part--working
separately--we still have together nearly finished the job of
spreading the Gospel of Jesus to every dark corner of the world.
Protestant revivals can not be dismissed as anything less than
amazing grace poured out by the true shepherd Himself.
Jesus prayed to the Father for unity in His church.
John 17:11 (KJV) "Holy Father, keep through thine own
name those whom thou has given me, that they may be one,
as we are".
What makes me write about this misunderstanding of Catholics by
Protestants to begin with - is that I have become quite sick of all the Protestant posters at our non-denominational Bible Talk Message
here, who somehow have
come to the conclusion that it is their Christian duty to go about
the internet with one and only one purpose in mind --attacking our
fellow Christians (Catholics). I remind these people that to even
post these false messages is bearing "false witness against their
All I can say is there must be many Christian "hate sites" where these
immature people copy and paste this information from, because none of it
hasn't been seen here more than once. Oddly enough, in over 5
years of monitoring this message board, I have not one time seen
even one similar Catholic "attack" on Protestants, or even one bad word said
by a Catholic about a Protestant. What is written below may
appear that I am siding only with Catholics; but I am not!
Catholic traditions are presented below simply because these are
what most Protestants usually do not understand.
The Body of Christ
just has to get used to the fact that we vary in how we worship
Jesus and venerate His earthly mother and the saints. Should
we not also try to understand why Messianic Jews remain mostly
Jewish and honor their Jewish customs? To not do this we would find
ourselves questioning Paul, the apostles, and the Lord Himself- who
all remained somewhat Jewish. As
late as thirty years after the resurrection of Jesus, Paul was still
claiming to be observant of Jewish practice. This was Paul's
personal preference/tradition.... Acts 23:9, 24:14, 25:8, 28:17
Catholics most certainly do teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ! The
Catholic Mass celebrates Jesus at the very center of their
alter/worship each day. Each minute of each day, tens of
thousands of Catholic priests, nuns and monks are praying to Jesus
from all over the world. Catholic Charities is the largest in
the world. Catholics know and teach that salvation is by "the
Grace of Jesus". They realize you cannot receive Grace without
Alone) is Not Enough for Salvation:
Catholics do differ with Protestants over the Protestant claim that
all one needs is the Bible and several other things. The
Catholic Church relies on both Scripture and its 2000 year
apostolic traditions. This idea of Scripture itself is taught nowhere in the Bible
itself! Seek and ye shall find ---does not have to mean within
scripture only... Scripture itself seems to hint that scripture
alone is NOT enough. If so, the Holy Spirit, faith, and our
love for Jesus, then must bridge the gap in understanding. This idea
of scripture itself is taught nowhere in the Bible itself! The
Bible actually seems to hint that this "Bible alone" theory is
false. See 2 Peter 1:20-21, 3:15-16.
Tradition can be both
good and bad. Jewish tradition certainly was one thing Jesus spoke out
against vis-à-vis the Law versus the Commandments, in regards to the
Jewish Sanhedrin and Pharisees.
On the other hand New
Testament writers constantly appealed to the scriptures as their
base of authority in declaring what was and was not true biblical
teaching: Matt. 21:42; John 2:22; 1 Cor. 15:3-4; 1 Peter 1:10-12;
2:2; 2 Peter 1:17-19, etc. Then we have Paul saying that those who
consult scripture frequently are noble-minded. Paul in Acts 17:11
says, "Now these were more noble-minded than those in
Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness,
examining the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things were
so." Paul commends those who examine God's word for the test of
truth, not for the traditions of men. Therefore, we can see that
the biblical means of determining spiritual truth is by appealing to
scripture, not tradition. In fact, it is the scriptures that refute
the traditions of men in many instances.
For God is not the author
of confusion, but of Peace. See: 1 Corinthians 14:33.
What is a Catholic
The Catholic Mass is a commemoration and
celebration of Jesus as God and our Savior! So isn't a
Protestant Service! Within this celebration, the body and blood of Christ
is adored as the high part of each Mass. Communion is
celebrated at every Catholic Mass - just as Jesus asked us to do when He said; "Do this in
remembrance of me". The Catholic Church does not
teach that Christ dies again during the Catholic Mass. They
teach that Jesus died once for our redemption. The Catholic
Mass is a mystical celebration, steep in tradition, dating
back to the first century. In a mystical way, the very same
sacrifice that was made by Jesus on Calvary is made present on the
altar. The Eucharist is celebrated at the Mass both in
obedience to Jesus, telling us to do this (bread and wine=His body
and blood) in remembrance of Him; and to do as Paul reminded us.
Paul and Jesus both told us that the bread and wine really become
the actual body and blood of Jesus, by the miracle of God's grace.
See: 1 Corinthians 11:27-30. below:
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this
cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body
and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself,
and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and
drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's
body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you,
and many sleep.
Important? Yes! Jesus said so....
begins a colloquy that took place in the synagogue at
Capernaum. The Jews asked Jesus what sign he could
perform so that they might believe in him. As a
challenge, they noted that "our ancestors ate manna in
the desert." Could Jesus top that? He told them the real
bread from heaven comes from the Father. "Give us this
bread always," they said. Jesus replied, "I am the bread
of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and
whoever believes in me will never thirst." At this point
the Jews mistakenly understood him to be speaking
Again and Again
"I myself am the living bread come down from heaven. If
anyone eats this bread he shall live forever; the bread
I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world. Let
me solemnly assure you, if you do not eat the flesh of
the Son of Man, and drink His blood, you have no life in
you. He who feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has
life eternal, and I will raise him up on the last day.
For my flesh is real food, and my blood real drink. The
man who feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in
me, and I in him. Just as the Father who has life sent
me and I have life because of the Father, so the man who
feed on me will have life because of me" (John 6:51,
None of this language (hard saying) is symbolic! Jesus
meant what He said.
Moreover, even when there is grumbling and objections,
and even after some disciples abandon our Lord because
of this teaching, Jesus nowhere says, "Oh, please stop
buddies. Don't leave me. I meant this symbolically."
Our Lord stood by His teaching. Most importantly--He
repeated this "hard teaching" twice.
I was a "bad teacher". I was once an instructor for a
Naval Intelligence course in ocean surveillance, in
Norfolk, Virginia. Sometimes I would literally "stomp
the floor" with my foot while instructing something that
was to appear on a very, very hard exam which was to
follow the course. Hoping this point would sink in --and
that the students would zoom in on this --BECAUSE they
would see it again later. I wanted them to pass their
end of course exam.
This is what Jesus did by repeating this. He basically
is saying; "don't miss this --it literally is something
you MUST get"...
In short you better at least once solemnly receive
the Body & Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ (Communion) at
least once in your life --in A Christian setting...
To receive Holy Communion unworthily is a serious abuse
of the sacred body and blood of the Lord, and therefore
"The nearer to Jesus, the nearer to the perfect calm
of heaven; and the further from Jesus, the nearer to
that troubled sea which tosses with the continual unrest
of the wicked. There is no peace to the man or woman who
doth not dwell constantly under the shadow of the cross;
for Jesus is our peace, and if he be absent, our peace
is absent too."
Paul and Jesus both told us that the bread and wine
really become the actual body and blood of Jesus, by the
miracle of God's grace. See: 1 Corinthians 11:27-29.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this
cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body
and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself,
and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and
drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's
body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you,
and many sleep.
IMPORTANT: Don't ever take the receiving of Holy
Communion lightly. Make a serious and heartfelt
confession of all your sins to the Lord before ever
receiving His blessed body and blood.
Those who preach the false
Sabbatarianism (Saturday worship)
theology don't want to hear this. But, tradition and History tell us
that early Christians met in homes, usually on a Sunday and
celebrated the Body and Blood of Christ with bread and wine.
Catholics Honor Mary, but Worship Jesus only!
The Catholic side of me has a hard time understanding the lack of
recognition, which itself borders on actual
disrespect - that most Protestants show toward Mary the earthly mother of
Jesus. Muslims do not
understand the word begotten (as Jesus is one with the Father). And
Protestants do not
understand the words "worship/adore" vs "honor/venerate".
Muslims have carnal thoughts about God and heaven, and they cannot
conceive the fact that God is spirit and light--and can do what He
wants, and also things we can never understand.
Catholics worship and adore Jesus, but honor and venerate Mary - just
as the early church did. The question really is -- how much
veneration is too much? Can one go overboard with this?
Each person has to answer that themselves.
Was it not God Himself who first honored Mary when He sent Gabriel,
who addressed Mary as "Blessed" and full of grace?
The angel Gabriel is a messenger. So Blessed is God's own
words. The word itself indicates God Himself has elevated her.
For us not to also -- disrespects God's own judgment.
As to the Catholics calling Mary, "Queen of Heaven". Sure there is
no biblical reference to this. But, can you think of any other woman
in history, full of grace more, or who deserves this honor
more? Didn't Jesus himself show her the ultimate honor Himself, when
He looked down from the cross and told John to take care of her?
Whose heart was torn the most seeing Jesus on that cross atop Calvary?
I just have to say--I cannot follow the Protestant lead of "Mary bashing".
This disrespects both Jesus and Mary. Most serious Protestant
ministers do not Mary bash. That is comforting. But do
they actively try and stop it?
As to the Marian appearances we reference here at Bible Probe. If they are not in line with Scripture
then they have probably been counterfeited by satan. Many Marian
appearances I will not "touch" for that reason. At Bible Probe, we do use many
references to the 30 years of the Bayside, New York
appearances--because this seems to be very much in line with
Scripture--and they are very interesting and revealing. Most
are corroborating. There are also problems with this Marian
appearance. I'll be the first to say this. I have to
question just why it was said that Franklin Delano Roosevelt is in
Hell? There was no explanation given. So even the
Bayside appearances have to be looked at with at least some
skepticism. We know that the Roosevelt State Department
severely limited the ability of Jews fleeing Europe to immigrate to
the U.S., and flee the Nazi Holocaust in 1941. Is this why????
Catholics pray to Mary for intercession. However, they only pray to
Jesus for the remission of their sins and for their salvation.
Catholics do emulate holy Christians they call saints. They
look to these as role models.
When Catholics pray to Mary, they are asking for intercession. If
anyone has a problem with intercessory prayer I suggest they ask
why is it that Scripture shows Paul asking the churches to pray for
him. See: 1 Timothy 2:1-4.
The prayer "Hail Mary" ends with: "Holy Mary mother of God, Pray for
us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen"
The Rosary consists of many beads representing when a "Hail Mary"
should be said. But it also has beads triggering the "Our Father"
prayer. This Our Father is the very same one Jesus taught us to say.
It is the same Protestants say.
The "biggie" prayers for Catholics are the "Our Father" and
the "Act of Contrition". The Act of Contrition is addressed to
Jesus, and goes like this: "Oh my God I am heartly sorry for
having offending thee, and I detest all my sins -- because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of
hell. But, most of all because they (sins) offend thee my God who art all
good and deserving of all my love".
Graven Images? Worshipping statues? Changing the Commandments?
This is a "bum rap" that
seems to be perpetrated against Catholics by the Seventh Day
Many Christians, especially Catholics, do use statues as "visual
aids" when praying. But, even Catholics do not pray to the plaster
or wood as Seventh Day Adventists claim. They are are thinking
beyond this statue to God, Mary and the Saints. No one is allowed
by the Catholic Church to pray to images since they have no ears to
hear or power to help us. The Catholic Church allows for the
veneration (respect) of images as long as the
honor is directed towards Christ and His saints.
Catholic Reverend M.
James Divis writes:
And the LORD said to
Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one
who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live." And Moses made a
serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that
if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of
brass, he lived.
... Numbers 21:8-9
Recently we received an 80-page booklet entitled "What's Behind The
New World Order?" It can be traced back to the writings of Ellen G.
White, foundress of the Seventh Day
Adventist Church. According to this booklet, the Catholic Church
is behind the New World Order. The booklet claims that this is true,
since the Church is the beast of Revelation (Rev. 17). It attempts
to prove this claim by exposing the "marks of the beast." Due to
limited space, only one charge will be considered. This is a common
charge used against the Catholic Church.
Read more about this
by Reverend Divis:
Read about the Seventh
Day Adventist (SBA) history, and some more absurd notions by that
SBA prophetess, Ellen White once called all other Christian
denominations "Babylon", and she contradicted Jesus about the
The Assumption of Mary into Heaven.
Belief that Mary has been taken up and is now in heaven with both
her body and her soul has been part of the teaching of the Catholic
Church since the earliest centuries of Christianity. The strongest
evidence for the belief of the early Christians is found in ancient
liturgies and in homilies in honor of Mary's passing. A second
source, widely spread in the Middle Ages is known as the
By the end of the Middle Ages, belief in Mary's Assumption into
heaven was well established theologically and part of the devotional
expressions of the people. The word Assumption comes from the Latin
verb assumere, meaning "to take to oneself." Our Lord, Jesus Christ
took Mary home to himself where he is.
For the ex-Catholic monk and Protestant Martin Luther, Mary's
Assumption was an understood fact, as his homily of 1522 indicates,
in spite of the fact that Mary's Assumption is not expressly
reported in Sacred scripture. For Protestant reformer, Martin Butzer
(1545), there was no reason to doubt about the Assumption of the
Virgin into heavenly glory. "Indeed, no Christian doubts that the
most worthy Mother of the Lord lives with her beloved Son in
heavenly joy." (Marienlexikon, vol l3, 200)
H. Bullinger (1590), also a Protestant reformer, sought for a
theological foundation for the Assumption in scripture. He showed
that the Old Testament tells of Elias, taken to heaven bodily to
teach us about our immortality, and – because of our immortal soul –
to respectfully honor the bodies of the saints. Against this
backdrop he states, "Because of this, we believe that the pure
immaculate chamber of the God-bearer, the Virgin Mary, is a temple
of the Holy Spirit, that is her holy body, borne by angels into
heaven." (Marienlexikon, vol l3, 200)
In the light of a long history of Christian belief since patristic
times, in 1950, Pope Pius XII defined Mary's Assumption into Heaven
as a dogma of Roman Catholicism:
"the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having
completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul
The proclamation of this dogma is found in the encyclical:
READ THIS "Transitus Mariae" Account here:
Catholics have Conceded to Protestants, that Salvation is by Grace
(and not by Works):
So there is now no longer a great "dogma gulf" between Catholics and
Indulgences were removed from the Catholic Church in 1582's Council
Many Protestants believe
that Salvation is by "Faith" alone. When actually, salvation
is by the "Grace" of Jesus. Faith alone will not get anyone to
Heaven. Jesus' Grace will! Jesus said it is not enough
to have faith in him. We must also obey the commandments.
Jesus said; "And
why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say"
See: Luke 6:46, Matthew 7:21-23, and 19:16-21.
saith unto him, Which? Jesus said,
Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy
mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Catholics Never taught
Salvation by Good Works as many internet posters lie:
Catholic Dogma, like
fundamental Protestant dogma is salvation by the Grace of Jesus alone.
Faith is the first step in receiving the Lord's Grace.
Catholic dogma rightfully adds that the proof of salvation is good
works (fruit of the Spirit). In the Joint
"Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification" between Lutheran
Ministers and the Catholic Church in Augsburg, Germany in October 1999
this was confirmed.
In Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 9:16 we are told that we do not earn
salvation through good works (as Muslims believe). Instead,
our Faith in Jesus places us in a special Grace-filled relationship
with God so that our obedience and love, combined with our Faith,
will be rewarded with eternal life. Read: Romans 2:7 and Galatians
6:8-9. The Bible does not teach that Christians have a guarantee of
heaven! The Bible says that salvation will be assured to those
who have Faith in Jesus AND are obedient to Him.
The "Fundamentalist Protestant" test of a true
Christian has always had 5 points that a Christian must agree with.
It should be noted that all Catholics agree with all these 5 points:
1. Christ was born of the Virgin Mary
2. Jesus was God in the flesh
3. Substitutional Atonement for our sins
4. Jesus rose from the dead.
5. Jesus will return to earth.
From early Church
history, we have a letter from Clement, who was the 3rd Bishop from
Peter to head the Church in Rome.
Note how Irenaeus'
passage below gives us an inkling of why we should pay attention to
Church Tradition. When he speaks of Clement - he tells us that even
Clement who was the 3rd head bishop from the apostles --had
listened to and spoken to the apostles. Clement
himself tells us that he was a disciple of the Apostles:
here. According to
Tertullian, writing in about 199 A.D., the Roman Church claimed that
Clement was ordained by Peter himself (De Praescript., xxxii). Most
Catholics think of Clement as the 4th Pope. Clement did leave us a
writing of his. It was a
letter to the Church at Corinth. See some of this far below...
Or, click link to left to read this entire letter.
The passage by Irenaeus (Adv. haereses, III, iii, 3) reads:
"The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church,
committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of
this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him
succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the
apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had
seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might
be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his
ears], and their traditions before his eyes.
From Clement's letter to the Church at
A passage on the Holy Trinity is important. Clement uses the Old
Testament affirmation "The Lord liveth", substituting the Trinity
thus: "As God liveth, and the Lord Jesus Christ liveth and the Holy
Spirit -- the faith and hope of the elect, so surely he that
performeth", etc. (58). Christ is frequently represented as the
High-Priest, and redemption is often referred to. Clement speaks
strongly against justification by works. Clement writes;
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not
justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or
godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but
by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has
justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen".
Read Clement's entire Letter to the Corinthians:
Catholics DO rightfully teach Infant Baptism in obedience to Jesus:
Catholic doctrine is that because of
Original sin, we are all born without grace in our souls--so there
is no way to have fellowship with God. Jesus is God's
benevolent way of solving this fellowship problem--as Jesus is the
only mediator we have. His sacrificial death makes our
salvation possible. But Jesus also said that nobody can enter
the kingdom of God unless he is first born of "water and
Read John 3:5, Titus 3:5, Romans 6:3-7, Acts 2:38, 22:16, 1 Peter
3:21. This is why I believe that those denominations who teach
Baptism at the age of reason only--are not being obedient to Jesus!
Baptism is the gateway to the Lord's Church! What about those
poor infants, children and others who die before Baptism? The
Apostles also practiced infant Baptism. They baptized entire
Church can surely do baptism for all infants--and then again when
they reach the age of reasoning. If you are in one of these
denominations, gather a Christian friend - and solemnly baptize your
infant over the sink - in the name of the Father, the Son, and the
Catholics, Protestants and Confession
AS TO CATHOLICS
(both are right - Catholics may be practicing "overkill". That's
use this for authority for the Sacrament of Confession:
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when
the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of
the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them,
Peace be unto you. And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his
hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the
Lord. Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father
hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he
breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose
soever sins ye retain, they are retained. (John 20:19-23)
In fact, it is not the Catholic Church who is
in apostasy right now, it is many of the Protestant churches who are.
The Catholic Church, unlike very many Protestant denominations --is
actually standing fast against abortion, and homosexuals in the
clergy. Catholics are removing them from their clergy and
nunneries following the recent priest abuse scandals which was due
to them having let down their guard; unknowingly allowing
homosexuals into their clergy since the 1970's. All the while many
Protestant churches are now welcoming homosexuals into their clergy.
Catholics also do not allow any of its members into satan's fan
club, known as Masonry.
Whereas, Protestants and Protestant clergymen fill the ranks of
Whether Peter handed the
keys to the Church he received from Jesus to a successor, or whether
indeed Jesus did hand these to Peter at all is somewhat lost in the
wording of Scripture.
Catholics think Jesus
did, and Protestants think He didn't. This argument really
cannot be solved fully until Jesus returns. Never-the-less, this is
one reason Catholics site for their Sacrament of Confession.
Catholics say that the Apostles appointed other apostles
-in a undemocratic way. They believe the Church
Jesus established is a theocracy. Catholics point
to the fact that
12 Apostles were not chosen by popular election, but
rather Jesus picked them Himself. The leader of the 12,
was also picked out by Jesus (Mat..16:19).
So, Catholics say:
"Peter" was chosen by
Jesus to be the "leader" of the 12, and of the whole
Church of Christ:
- In Matt.16, Jesus
promised Peter the primacy
- In John 21, Jesus
gave it to him.
- In Acts, Peter
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of
the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art
thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto
thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee,
That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and
the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto
thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt
bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt
loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Matthew 16:16-19
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him
his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou
hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take
with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three
witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to
hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the
church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be
bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be
loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall
agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall
be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew
can use this for NOT confessing to a priest/minister:
In light of the
rather recent scandal in the Catholic Church of mostly homosexual
priests molesting young boys (It happened in Protestant
denominations too) I need to point out what the Catholic Church
teaches about the Sacraments--even if given to you by a sinful
priest. First of all, Scripture makes it quite clear that we
are ALL sinners. Priests & Ministers are no exceptions.
The Catholic Church teaches that a Sacrament is no less holy/worthy
when administered by a Priest who is living in sin.
Sacraments are received through the grace of the Lord Jesus, and not
by the priest.
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name
whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. Acts
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we
have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee,
rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass
against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn
again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him. Luke 17:3-4
Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a
quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Ephesians 4:32
Lord's Prayer: And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Rome is probably not destroyed in
the end time, it is Jerusalem and the temple mount that are
destroyed by the battle of Armageddon. The revival of the temple
mount and the Talmudic religion (including animal sacrifices) will
be the end time work of the antichrist and his false prophet. The
whore of Babylon is an evil world system, controlled by the
antichrist, during the last days before Jesus’ return.
As to the number 666, I am only speculating here -but could this be
a double prophecy, both a population number and the number the beast
will require to be worn on either the right hand or forehead?
Remember it is Israel, and more specifically Jerusalem that has
always been the epicenter/focus of prophecy. Israel's population
will soon reach 6.66 million. Also, the world population will also
soon reach 6.66 billion.
On October 13th, 2004
- the Jewish Sanhedrin was reestablished in Tiberias by 71 Rabbis
after 1600 years of absence. This Jewish "High Court" of
the Talmudic System may prove instrumental in elevating the
Jews have always been
very quick to declare someone the Messiah (except the real one,
Jesus). Dozens have been hailed as Messiah since the first century.
The latest proclaimed to be the Messiah by the Lubavicher Hasidim is
Rebbe Menahem Mendel Schneersohn of Crown Heights in New York, even
though he died in 1994. Among the most prominent were Bar
Kochba and Shabbetai Zevi. From ancient times to the present, Jewish
believers have prayed for the coming of messianic deliverance, a
hope that has sustained the Jewish people through centuries of
suffering and destruction.
Bar Kochba led a
revolt against Rome in the years 132-135 A.D. During this revolt,
one of the most famous figures in Jewish history, Rabbi Akiva,
proclaimed him to be "King Messiah." Unfortunately, Bar Kochba, Akiva and thousands of Jews were killed in 135 A.D. when the Romans
stormed the stronghold of Betar. Shabbetai Zevi, on the other hand,
was a self-proclaimed Messiah. Throughout the world, Jews were
persuaded that the Messiah had come and flocked to his court.
Flourishing in 17th-century Europe, the Shabbatean movement spread
among both the common people and the rabbis. But when Shabbetai Zevi
was arrested in 1666 by the Sultan of Turkey, he converted to
Islam rather than face death.
indicators that Jews will once again chose a false Messiah, and will
willingly follow false teachers is this very germane example from
the middle ages. Prior to the early middle ages rabbis always
concurred that the "suffering servant" passage of Isaiah 53 was a
prediction of the Messiah. Anyone who has ever read this knows immediately it
speaks of Jesus suffering on the cross. By the 11th century,
pressure from those who applied this prophecy to Jesus was so great
that the great, beloved Jewish scholar Rabbi Shlomo Yitzhak
this chapter and said it referred to the nation of Israel and not
the Messiah. Jewish scholars continue to maintain this false
teaching today. Not all rabbis accepted this “new” view.
Rabbi Mosheh Kohen ben Crispin of Cordova & Toledo (14th century),
answered Rashi by saying: "The interpretation of Rashi distorts the
passage from its natural meaning,” and “it was given of God as a
description of the Messiah. Rabbi Naphtali ben Asher
Alltschuler (1500 A.D.) said; “I will proceed to explain these
verses of our own Messiah, may he come soon, I am surprised that
Rashi and Kimchi have not with the Targums applied it to Messiah
likewise.” Though the language clearly speaks of one dying for
our sins, Rashi's view which differed with the ancient Jewish sages,
and Jewish Scripture itself caught on and prevails in Judaism today
-- perhaps because it seemed to provide some answer to refute the
believer's claims in Yeshua/Jesus. Going way back to the Babylonian
Talmud, we find ancient sages disagreeing with Rabbi Rashi, as the
Babylonian Talmud speaks of Isaiah 53 as a suffering/stricken
Messiah -- what is his name? . . . The Rabbis say, the
leprous one; those of the house of Rabbi say, the sick
one, as it is said, "Surely he hath borne our
sicknesses." (Sanhedrin 98b)
Prior to Rashi, the
ancient commentators with one accord noted that the context clearly
speaks of God's Anointed One, the Messiah. The Aramaic translation
of this chapter, ascribed to Rabbi Jonathan ben Uzziel, a disciple
of Hillel who lived early in the second century A.D:
servant Messiah shall prosper; he shall be high, and
increase, and be exceeding strong: as the house of
Israel looked to him through many days, because their
countenance was darkened among the peoples, and their
complexion beyond the sons of men. (Targum Jonathan on
Isaiah 53, ad locum)
The words of Isaiah 53
are among clearest in all the Bible. Also, it is no accident
that it lays in the center of the Bible. The passage tells of an
outstanding Servant of the Lord whose visage is marred and is
afflicted and stricken. This "Suffering Servant" has not
deserved any pain or wounds, but was wounded through our
transgressions, bruised through our iniquities, and with his
wounds we are healed. The text presents the suffering Servant of the
Lord who dies as a korban, or a recompense for guilt. He is
then buried with the rich and wicked, but is gloriously resurrected
to life. God permits His afflicted, and this exalted Servant endures
this agonizing and painful suffering in order to remove the sins of
All of the ancient Jewish writings (Mishnah,
Gemara, Talmud, Midrashin) all regard this portion of scripture as
relating to the Messiah. The Talmud (Sanhedrin 98) teaches that
Isaiah 53 refers to Messiah. The Targum of Jonathan begins it with
the words Ha yatslakh avdee Mashikha, "Behold my servant the Messiah
|The seven hills must have
connection with Israel as that is the focus of the Messianic
Jerusalem is the location of the hill where the great whore sitteth.
Rome or Catholicism is not the great whore. Roman
Catholicism appears to be presently falling apart from both within,
or to be very weakened by
satanic attacks from without. The homosexual infiltration, its
dollar cost, and loss to its image, is one such attack from without.
This may be the significance of Malachay's 12th century prophecy
--seeing the last pope fleeing Rome after a great schism. It also is
probably what the Second Secret of Fatima referred to. The
last pope (Peter the Roman) may be forced to leave as he may not
even believe in God or he dissolves the papacy altogether. If Roman Catholicism falls apart the beast
will most likely fill the void with a "Counterfeit Church", a worldwide
federation of religions, churches and denominations, that omit the
name of Jesus; like the European Union, has omitted the mention of
God. In addition to the Beast there will arise a False Prophet who
will attest to the Beast as being God --and who will also probably
be instrumental in this One World Religion which the ACLU and
Masonry are right now so diligently working for. That is
another point of consideration. If an occult outfit like world
masonry has vowed to destroy the Catholic Church as masonry has --
then it stands to reason the Catholic Church is in the way of satan's final solution/plan. Read more about Freemasonry
For this reason, it is so important that Protestants get their
members out of Masonry. As Masonry will be involved with this one
world church. Masonry is aligned with satan and Masonry has vowed to
destroy the Catholic Church. Once it implodes from within and a huge
void exists--Masons will be instrumental in the Antichrist's One
World Church. It has to be. They have the same commander.
Mystery Babylon is the witchcraft/occult system/masonic/satanism
system, because it came out of Babylon... The seven kings and
nations (mountains) are seven Middle Eastern nations in the vicinity
of Jerusalem where the beast will set up his tabernacle. These most
obviously would include Jordan (Ammon), Syria, Iraq (ancient Syria),
Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Egypt, and another--perhaps Turkey. The beast
is of the eighth, which seems most obvious to be Israel, for
Antichrist must be a Jew to appear to be Christ.
The first person who claims to be the returned Christ to earth that
appears to be associated with great miracles IS the false Christ,
The false Christ will come to Jerusalem (the "City of Seven
Hills") and NOT Rome, in order to rule the world! The Anti-Christ
will do the seemingly impossible, and unite Jews and Arabs.
The truth is, however, when one looks at the subject of the Book of
Revelation carefully, there is only one of those "Cities of Seven
Hills" that could possibly be the subject of the End-Time
revelation. That is the City of Jerusalem. The "Mystery Babylon"
of the Book of Revelation is none other than Jerusalem!
The last world kingdom will be headquartered in Jerusalem, not in
Rome, Babylon on the Euphrates or in Byzantium, or anywhere
else. In the first verse of Revelation 12, we are told that "a great
sign appeared in heaven". Some Bible translations call this a
"wonder" and not a sign. However, this Hebrew word, which is
transliterated "semeion", clearly means a "sign".
The first character
mentioned is a woman. She is clothed with the sun, the moon is under
her feet and she is wearing a garland with twelve stars. The text
also tells us that she is with child. After considering the future
context, this woman must be Israel, or else the Church. Because she is with child,
this is probably not Mary, and the context is wrong.
And she being with child cried,
travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
The “woman” is probably believing
Israel, or else God's Church.
clothing the woman may be referring to God and His righteousness.
The woman's “child” is definitely Jesus, because he is
identified in 12:5 as a man
child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.
The Antichrist will come to Jerusalem. He will look in all
appearances as though he is none other than Jesus Christ himself.
Remember, Satan and his angels will be expelled from heaven and come
to earth (Revelation 12). This appears to be the second time, as
Revelation 12 speaks of a coming event. This fall is evidenced
in Jude 1:6, Daniel 8:10, Job 38:7 and Job 1:6. However, since
Satan still has access to God and Heaven, as seen in Zechariah
3:1-3, we know this verse refers to more than one event. Right
now, Satan is accusing us before God. However, there may come a day
when there will be war in Heaven and the Devil will be cast away
from God’s presence. The “stars” Satan sweeps away may also
refer to the many angels he led in his primeval rebellion against
God. It could alternatively be referring to human rulers he deposes.
The world may make a big mistake and think that Satan and his fallen
angels are none other than Christ and His angels returning from
heaven at the Second Advent. This may be the "great lie" the world
will believe that the apostle Paul spoke about in Second Thessalonians 2:8-12.
The ancients symbolically looked on the various capitals of the
world as having "Seven Hills."
It was common custom in the centuries before Christ for people in
the Roman world to refer to the City of Rome itself as the "City of
Seven Hills." The references are numerous and consistent. And
indeed, when Romulus and Remus wanted to build a city in the area of
the Tibur River they chose an area just inland from the coast to
afford a greater protection for the city from sea pirates or from
the naval warfare of hostile powers. It was divinely selected,
in Roman parlance, that the city had to be on "seven hills."
But strange as it may seem, the City of Jerusalem as it existed
in the time of Christ Jesus was also reckoned to be the "City of
Seven Hills." This fact was well recognized in Jewish circles.
In the Pirke de-Rabbi Eliezer, an eighth century midrashic narrative
(section 10), the writer mentioned without commentary (showing that
the understanding was well known) that "Jerusalem is situated on
seven hills" (recorded in The Book of Legends, edited by Bialik and
Ravnitzky, p. 371, paragraph 111).
And, so it was. Those "seven hills" are easy to identify. If one
starts with the Mount of Olives just to the east of the main City of
Jerusalem (but still reckoned to be located within the environs of
Jerusalem), there are three summits to that Mount of Olives. The
northern summit (hill) is called Scopus [Hill One], the middle
summit (hill) was called Nob [Hill Two], the highest point of Olivet
itself, and the southern summit (hill) was called in the Holy
scr1ptures the "Mount of Corruption" or "Mount of Offence" [Hill
Three] (II Kings 23:13). On the middle ridge between the Kedron and
the Tyropoeon Valleys there was (formerly) in the south "Mount Zion"
[Hill Four] (the original "Mount Zion" and not the later southwest
hill that was later called by that name), then the "Ophel Mount"
[Hill Five] and then to the north of that the "Rock" around which
"Fort Antonia" was built [Hill Six]. And finally, there was the
southwest hill itself [Hill Seven] that finally became known in the
time of Simon the Hasmonean as the new "Mount Zion." This makes
"Seven Hills" in all.
Malachy's 12th Century Prophecy of the Last 10 Popes
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED DVD/VHS
see this DVD/VHS
excellent DVD by the great Protestant evangelists, Dr.
Jack and Rexell Van Impe is highly recommended for
Catholics, Protestants and Jews. Doctor Van Impe
has observed how Protestant and Catholics are really the
same now because of Pope John Paul II. He exposes
the lies written about both. Protestants and
Catholics may not
be aware, but as of 1998 the Catholic Church made the
Luther's dogma that "we are saved by faith alone".
Catholic dogma is now the same as Protestant dogma, and
it adds that the fruit of the holy spirit is good works.
All that is
left is for Protestants to understand that Catholic "venerate and honor"
Mary, but they "adore and worship" Jesus. Catholics
also look only to Jesus for their salvation. See
more on this
is an awesome eye-opener to those who look for the Lord's
impending return in the near term.
Some History about what is in our Bible
for both Protestants & Catholics
"What is narrated here [in the story of Susannah] happened at a later time,
although it is placed at the front of the book [of Daniel], for it was a
custom with the writers to narrate many things in an inverted order in their
writings. . . . [W]e ought to give heed, beloved, fearing lest anyone be
overtaken in any transgression and risk the loss of his soul, knowing as we
do that God is the judge of all and the Word himself is the eye which
nothing that is done in the world escapes. Therefore, always watchful in
heart and pure in life, let us imitate Susannah" (Commentary on Daniel [A.D.
204]; the story of Susannah [Dan. 13] is not in the Protestant Bible).
Cyprian of Carthage
"In Genesis [it says], ‘And God tested Abraham and said to him, "Take your
only son whom you love, Isaac, and go to the high land and offer him there
as a burnt offering . . ."’ [Gen. 22:1–2]. . . . Of this same thing in the
Wisdom of Solomon [it says], ‘Although in the sight of men they suffered
torments, their hope is full of immortality . . .’ [Wis. 3:4]. Of this same
thing in the Maccabees [it says], ‘Was not Abraham found faithful when
tested, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness’ [1 Macc. 2:52; see
Jas. 2:21–23]" (Treatises 7:3:15 [A.D. 248]).
"So Daniel, too, when he was required to worship the idol Bel, which the
people and the king then worshipped, in asserting the honor of his God,
broke forth with full faith and freedom, saying, ‘I worship nothing but the
Lord my God, who created the heaven and the earth’ [Dan. 14:5]" (Letters
55:5 [A.D. 253]; Daniel 14 is not in the Protestant Bible).
Council of Rome
"Now indeed we must treat of the divine scriptures, what the universal
Catholic Church accepts and what she ought to shun. The order of the Old
Testament begins here: Genesis, one book; Exodus, one book; Leviticus, one
book; Numbers, one book; Deuteronomy, one book; Joshua [Son of] Nave, one
book; Judges, one book; Ruth, one book; Kings, four books [that is, 1 and 2
Samuel and 1 and 2 Kings]; Paralipomenon [Chronicles], two books; Psalms,
one book; Solomon, three books: Proverbs, one book, Ecclesiastes, one book,
[and] Canticle of Canticles [Song of Songs], one book; likewise Wisdom, one
book; Ecclesiasticus [Sirach], one book . . . . Likewise the order of the
historical [books]: Job, one book; Tobit, one book; Esdras, two books [Ezra
and Nehemiah]; Esther, one book; Judith, one book; Maccabees, two books"
(Decree of Pope Damasus [A.D. 382]).
Council of Hippo
"[It has been decided] that besides the canonical scriptures nothing be read
in church under the name of divine Scripture. But the canonical scriptures
as follows: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua the Son
of Nun, Judges, Ruth, the Kings, four books, the Chronicles, two books, Job,
the Psalter, the five books of Solomon [Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of
Songs, Wisdom, and a portion of the Psalms], the twelve books of the
prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Tobit, Judith, Esther, Ezra,
two books, Maccabees, two books . . ." (Canon 36 [A.D. 393]).
Council of Carthage III
"[It has been decided] that nothing except the canonical scriptures should
be read in the Church under the name of the divine scriptures. But the
canonical scriptures are: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy,
Joshua, Judges, Ruth, four books of Kings, Paralipomenon, two books, Job,
the Psalter of David, five books of Solomon, twelve books of the prophets,
Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Tobit, Judith, Esther, two books of
Esdras, two books of the Maccabees . . ." (Canon 47 [A.D. 397]).
"The whole canon of the scriptures, however, in which we say that
consideration is to be applied, is contained in these books: the five of
Moses . . . and one book of Joshua [Son of] Nave, one of Judges; one little
book which is called Ruth . . . then the four of Kingdoms, and the two of
Paralipomenon . . . . [T]here are also others too, of a different order . .
. such as Job and Tobit and Esther and Judith and the two books of Maccabees,
and the two of Esdras . . . . Then there are the prophets, in which there is
one book of the Psalms of David, and three of Solomon. . . . But as to those
two books, one of which is entitled Wisdom and the other of which is
entitled Ecclesiasticus and which are called ‘of Solomon’ because of a
certain similarity to his books, it is held most certainly that they were
written by Jesus Sirach. They must, however, be accounted among the
prophetic books, because of the authority which is deservedly accredited to
them" (Christian Instruction 2:8:13
"We read in the books of the Maccabees [2 Macc. 12:43] that sacrifice was
offered for the dead. But even if it were found nowhere in the Old Testament
writings, the authority of the Catholic Church which is clear on this point
is of no small weight, where in the prayers of the priest poured forth to
the Lord God at his altar the commendation of the dead has its place" (The
Care to be Had for the Dead 1:3 [A.D. 421]).
The Apostolic Constitutions
"Now women also prophesied. Of old, Miriam the sister of Moses and Aaron
[Ex. 15:20], and after her, Deborah [Judges. 4:4], and after these Huldah [2
Kgs. 22:14] and Judith [Judith 8], the former under Josiah and the latter
under Darius" (Apostolic Constitutions 8:2 [A.D. 400]).
"What sin have I committed if I follow the judgment of the churches? But he
who brings charges against me for relating [in my preface to the book of
Daniel] the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the story
of Susannah [Dan. 13], the Song of the Three Children [Dan. 3:29–68,
RSV-CE], and the story of Bel and the Dragon [Dan. 14], which are not found
in the Hebrew volume, proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. I was not
relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they are wont to
make against us. If I did not reply to their views in my preface, in the
interest of brevity, lest it seem that I was composing not a preface, but a
book, I believe I added promptly the remark, for I said, ‘This is not the
time to discuss such matters’" (Against Rufinius 11:33 [A.D. 401]).
Pope Innocent I
"A brief addition shows what books really are received in the canon. These
are the things of which you desired to be informed verbally: of Moses, five
books, that is, of Genesis, of Exodus, of Leviticus, of Numbers, of
Deuteronomy, and Joshua, of Judges, one book, of Kings, four books, and also
Ruth, of the prophets, sixteen books, of Solomon, five books, the Psalms.
Likewise of the histories, Job, one book, of Tobit, one book, Esther, one,
Judith, one, of the Maccabees, two, of Esdras, two, Paralipomenon, two books
. . ." (Letters 7 [A.D. 408]).
for Protestants & Catholics & Messianic Jews
Dome of the Rock is
revelation of God
1290 & 1335 days of
an evil pagan
The "abomination of
desolation" already happened exactly on
schedule (Daniel's 1290 day prophecy).
When the pagan Islamic Dome of the Rock and the
al-Aksa Mosque were built on the temple mount,
it made the temple mount "desolated" or
contaminated. This was built
during the 685 to
705 AD period.
formula for changing 1290 old testament 360 day
years into our 365.24 day solar years is: 1290 x
1335 - the "double check" number:
Amazingly enough the 2nd figure (1335) the
prophet Daniel gave serves much like a double
check (CheckSum). Subtract this figure
from 1948 when Israel was reborn after 2500
years and you get another significant year for
the Jews, Christians and all of western
This figure plops exactly onto the year Muhammad
of Islam, the False Prophet died and was lowered
into a grave in Medina in the year 632 A.D.
A little after midday of 8 June, 632, the 62
year old Muhammad died in the house of his wife A'isha
who he married when she was 6 (or 7) years old.
Muslim historians back to the early 800's A.D. tell
us that Muhammad consummated his marriage with
when she was only 9 - when he was in his
50's. See the Muslim references for this:
You may ask about the Lord's
Olivet discourse on Daniels' prophecy in Matthew 24.
See Ellis Skolfield's excellent answer
Read this free ebook by Ellis Skolfield
about the above.
It's called, "The False Prophet".
Terrorist or Prophet?"