Posted by Bible Probe on January 03, 2006 at 18:14:10:
The Muslim imams and mullahs have convinced Muslims not to read the Jewish Torah and Christian Gospels because Muslims would quickly find that they contradict their own Qur'an/Koran. This is especially "unhealthy" for these imams and mullahs who have been making a good living in Islam.
They certainly could never reconcile these errors in the Qur'an AFTER their Muhammad told them that Allah said on MANY occasions to read the Torah and Christian Gospels How do the mullahs and imams do it? Simply! They teach the lie that the Jewish Torah and Christian Gospels have been corrupted.
BUT--there are copies in existence of both that pre-date Islam and Muhammad. So for Muhammad to say several times that Allah has "VERIFIED" the accuracy of the Torah and Christian Gospels --then either Muhammad is a liar or the mullahs and imams are...
The Gospel of Jesus and Old Testament (Torah): "Guidance and Light"
***Sura 2:87 - And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent apostles after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit,
***Sura 3:48 - And He (Isa/Jesus) will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat (Torah) and the Injeel (Christian Gospel).
***Sura 3:50 - And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat (Torah) and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden t you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.
***Sura 5:44 - "Surely We revealed the Taurat (Torah/Bible Old Testament) in which was guidance and light", with it the prophets who submitted themselves....
***Sura 5:46 - And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat (Jewish Torah) and We gave him the Injeel (Christian Gospels) in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).
***Sura 5.68 - Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord;
***Sura 6.154: Again, We gave the Book (Torah) to Musa to complete (Our blessings) on him who would do good (to others), and making plain all things and a guidance and a mercy, so that they should believe in the meeting of their Lord.
***Sura 6.155: And this (Torah) is a Book We have revealed, blessed; therefore follow it and guard (against evil) that mercy may be shown to you.
**Sura 32:23 - And certainly We gave the Book to Musa, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel.
***Sura 43:63 - When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me.
***Sura 46:12 we are told.... "And before it the Book of Musa (Moses) (Torah) was a guide and a mercy: and this is a Book verifying (it) in the Arabic language that it may warn those who are unjust and as good news for the doers of good......"
The Great Muslim dilemma
The Christian Bible Says Jesus is God, and one with the Father
Muslims have no choice but to believe in the Christian Bible and the Apostles who wrote it. The Qur'an forbids anyone, on pain of shameful punishment, from making distinctions between the authority of the apostles and prophets of God, or from choosing between God's words. No one is permitted to believe in part and reject a part. Those who presume to do so, it says, are infidels in reality (Suras 4:150-152; 2:89; 42:13-15; 29:46-47). See Christian Bible references to who Jesus really is: HERE
Who is he talking about?
This Sura below shows how Muhammad had a complete misunderstanding of the Christian Gospel, and what the Trinity is. Apparently, Muhammad is referring to Christians. But his error here is that both Christians and Jews believe there is only One God. Muhammad also mistakenly thought the Trinity was the Father, Son and Mother (Mary).
***Sura 5:73-75, "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three..."
Muhammad never understood the Trinity (Father / Son / Holy Spirit):
Sura 116, 4:171, 5:73-75, Muhammad mistakenly thought the Christian Trinity was
3 gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus). This is based on
Muhammad's own misunderstanding seen in Sura 5:119. Also, in the last of all
Suras we read: O Jesus, Son of Mary, hast thou said unto mankind 'Take me and my
mother as two Gods beside God? ' He shall say: 'Glory be unto Thee! it is not
for me to say that which I know to be not the truth.' There is no way for
Muslims today to escape the fact that the Koran indeed contains this major
theological blunder.
That the Jewish Torah and Christian Gospels have been corrupted is a complete LIE perpetuated by Islam, because of all the historic, scientific, and simple mathematical errors in the Koran/Qur'an - as you'll see below... The Qur'an just doesn't add up.
"They" could not have changed the Christian Gospels after Muhammad, since there are around 5,300 manuscripts of the whole or part of the Greek text of the New Testament (Injeel) pre-dating Muhammad still in existence. Worldwide, there are 24,800 copies of these original manuscripts. These include the Codex Vaticanus (325-350 AD) located in the Vatican library and the Codex Siniaticus (350 AD) located in the British Museum. There are also 80,000 quotations in the works of early Christian writers which are so extensive that the New Testament could virtually be reconstructed from them without the actual New Testament documents. Then there is the obvious fact that the Christian Gospels were so widely distributed both before and after Muhammad, that any attempt to change (add/subtract) something in the Christian Gospels would have resulted in immediate discovery and condemnation.
Some versions of the Bible from 1881 differ in a few words here and there. However, the essentials remain the same and complete. Bibles We recommend, that have not changed are:
Protestants original Authorized King James (1611)
Catholics Catholic Douay Reims - older versions
The Christian Bible predates Muhammad and Islam by 500 years. The Jewish Torah predates Muhammad and Islam by 1,000 - 3,000 years. Muhammad said for Muslims to read the Bible for "Guidance and Light." For Islam to say they are corrupted, then is to call Muhammad a liar for recommending it.
The same Bible Muhammad would have seen (if he ever did) is in both (1) The Vatican (Codex Vaticanus) and (2) British Museum (Codex Sinaticus). It is all there, including Jesus dying on the cross as atonement for our sins. And, His resurrection, and ascension into heaven - in front of many witnesses. The New Testament is preserved in almost perfect condition in these two Greek texts which both predate Muhammad and Islam.
Islam doesn't even have an original Qur'an. It was made up supposedly from "memory" and a few scraps found under a bed. This was about 200 - 300 years after Muhammad died at his wife Ayish's home in Medina, and he was lowered into a hole in the ground, where he remains.
As to the Tauret (Torah), Jewish scribes painstakingly copied it via a system of checking, double checking and adding each letter on each line. Any attempt to change something in the Torah would have resulted in immediate discovery and condemnation. And copies of the Torah from around the world agree exactly.
This same quality of transmission cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an. The Islamic Qur'an was written down from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and from a few thoughts written on scrap papers --and compiled 200-300 yrs after Muhammad died in 632 A.D. See corrupted Qur'an here. Considering the absence of external and internal evidence that should effectively verify the revelatory character of the Qur'an, we find it very hard, if not impossible, to accept the Qur'an as a Message sent by God. This is particularly so, because the Qur'an contradicts earlier revelation, the evidence for the origin of which is given in Qur'an Suras 2:87, 3:48, 3:50, 5:44, 5:46, 5:68, 6:154, 6:155, 32:23, 43:63, and 46:12.
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