Re: I understand Islam denies Jesus' Sacrificial Death!
[ Bible Probe ]Posted by Bible Probe on September 13, 2005 at 08:55:34:
In Reply to: Do you all truly understand Islam? posted by Muslim on September 13, 2005 at 08:53:07:
Your links were removed, because should this be picked up in a search engine, I do not wish to further the advertising of pagan Muslim sites.
Unlike Bobby, I don't think you are a good Muslim, because if you were you would have done what Mohammed commanded you to do --and read the Christian Gospels (Injil) and the Jewish Torah (Tauret)
You have NO evidence that any Gospel or even the Torah was as you say "tampered with". You are saying this because the Torah and the Gospels conflict with the "johnny come lately" Muslim Qur'an so badly that they point to the Qur'an as being a false document.
The holy books that Mohammed commanded you to read conflict with your holy book so badly regarding salvation (only through our only mediator Jesus) that your mullahs and imams have concocted this lie which you are also spreading --that Torah and Injil (Gospels) were tampered with. Mohammed preached in the 600's after Christ to a band of mostly men, we would today consider as terrorists. So for him to command you to read the Torah and Injil then confirms that the Torah and Injil were NOT tampered with at that time.
The Koran is without a doubt filled with many serious scientific, historical and theological errors. The Islamic Koran (Qur'an), unlike the Judeo-Christian Bible is written in a style that is deliberately misleading. The only joy Muslims find in reading of the Qur'an is that of its poetry and that they believe that it came from God. Nothing in it will save you from your sins.
The Qur'an (Koran) is written in an esoteric, mysterious and vague style. It is also written in a incorrect, arbitrary and haphazard order, as if the uninspired human - Mohammed died before putting it together correctly. The only book I know of that exceeds the Koran in deliberate tediousness, false claims, and incoherence is the Book of Mormon.
The Christian Bible Says Jesus is God, and one with the Father
Sura 5:68 Say, "O people of the scripture, you have no basis until you uphold the Torah, and the Gospel, and what is sent down to you herein from your Lord."
Don't forget that Mohammed claimed in Suras 5:46 and 5:68 (above) that Allah confirmed the Torah (Tauret) and Christian Gospel (Injil). So, if the Torah and Gospel are correct, all the errors in the Qur'an make the Qur'an false. Islam and the Qur'an says that Jesus did not die. So, again --Islam has proven to be false; because Muhammad claimed the Gospel is true, and all 4 Gospels (Injil) testify that Jesus died and rose from the dead.
Muslims have no choice but to believe in the Christian Bible and the Apostles who wrote it. The Qur'an forbids anyone, on pain of shameful punishment, from making distinctions between the authority of the apostles and prophets of God, or from choosing between God's words. No one is permitted to believe in part and reject a part. Those who presume to do so, it says, are infidels in reality (Sura 4:150-52; 2:89; 2:139; 42:15; 29:46-47).
Supposedly Spoken about 630 AD:
Sura 5:68 Say, "O people of the scripture, you have no basis until you uphold the Torah, and the Gospel, and what is sent down to you herein from your Lord."
Christians need to remember, Jesus Christ warned us that if you deny Him, He will deny you before the Father. Muslims falsely believe they have "this base" covered because they show reverence to Jesus as a "great Prophet" only.
You "deny" Jesus when you do not follow His teachings, such as He is the only way to the Father and salvation. You deny Jesus when you do not make Him the center of your life. Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah foretold thousands of years before His arrival (See here) by numerous Prophets of God. Jesus led a sinless life. And only Jesus, the Son of the Father is the awaited Christ and mediator between you and the Father.
Muslims often deliberately claim that Jesus spoke of Mohammed as that prophet who would follow him, or that Mohammed was the Comforter Jesus promised would come. Both of these are more Islamic lies. Jesus did warn us that false prophets (Mohammed) with false Gospels (Qur'an) would follow Him, and try to deceive many. The Comforter Jesus spoke of was the Holy Spirit who filled the Apostles while they gathered together on Pentecost. While gathered together they all began speaking in foreign tongues. The Comforter/Holy Spirit also imparted the ways of God on the Apostles that day. The Comforter was NOT Mohammed. There is no mention of any Allah, Mohammed, or any prophet to follow Jesus in any Christian or Jewish Holy Books.
Jesus did NOT say the following:
`Jesus, the son of Mary, said, O children of Israel, verily I am the Apostle of God sent unto you confirming the law which was given before me, and bringing good tidings of an Apostle who shall come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.'
The biggest contradiction in the Qur'an (Koran) is that it says the Qur'an can be contradicted at any time. God can change his mind, and change verses in the Qur'an, with or without telling Muslims. This principle is called the "Doctrine of Abrogation."
The doctrine arose from a practical dilemma. Mohammed wanted to marry his daughter in law, but he had already "revealed" the suras that prohibit Muslims from marrying their daughters in law. Mohammed's solution was the doctrine of abrogation - the idea that Allah, through Mohammed, can change his mind about anything at anytime and Muslims have to shut up and obey:
Furthermore, this Muslim doctrine of abrogation extends so far as to dismiss all previous revelation, given in the Jewish-Christian Bibles. Thus Muslims see no problem in that the Qur'an has re-written biblical history with stories and historical accounts that contradict the Bible. To deal with the contradiction between the Bible and the Qur'an, Muslims throughout history have claimed that the Jews and Christians have corrupted their Bible so that the original Bible no longer exists. No matter what evidence for the truth and reliability of the Bible and Torah is provided, Muslims refuse to face the possibility of the truth of the present Bible as we know it.
THE CHRISTIAN GOSPELS and JEWISH TORAH WERE NOT CHANGED. This is an obvious Muslim lie, because the Muslim Qur'an does not add up...
Even after Allah confirmed the Torah and Gospel, Islamic Mullahs and Imams have tried to sell the lie that the Christian Gospels and Jewish Torah have been corrupted. This a complete lie! This lie is perpetuated by Islam, because of all the historic, scientific, and simple mathematical errors in the Koran/Qur'an. The Qur'an just doesn't add up.
"They" could NOT have changed the Injil (Gospels) after Mohammed, since there are around 5,300 manuscr1pts of the whole or part of the Greek text of the New Testament (Injil) pre-dating Mohammed (6th century) still in existence.
Worldwide, there are 24,800 copies of these original manuscr1pts. These include the Codex Vaticanus (325-350 AD) located in the Vatican library and the Codex Siniaticus (350 AD) located in the British Museum.
There are also 80,000 quotations in the works of early Christian writers which are so extensive that the New Testament could virtually be reconstructed from them without the actual New Testament documents. Then there is the obvious fact that the Christian Gospels were so widely distributed both before and after Mohammed, that any attempt to change (add/subtract) something in the Christian Gospels would have resulted in immediate discovery and worldwide condemnation.
As to the Tauret (Torah), Jewish scribes painstakingly copied it via a system of checking, double checking and adding each letter on each line. Any attempt to change something in the Torah would have resulted in immediate discovery. And copies of the Torah from around the world agree exactly.
THE PROMISE:
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
You only have to ask Jesus and He will save you.
Only in Jesus do we have a promise for life. Jesus said; "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in Me, even if he dies, will live" (John 11:25)
RECOMMENDED READING:
300 Prophecies of Jesus (vs NONE for Mohammed):
http://bibleprobe.com/300great.htm
Mohammed, Terrorist or Prophet?
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
Testimonies from ex-Muslims
http://www.bibleprobe.com/islamapostates.htm
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
This is a MUST READ if you are a Muslim who has ever wondered why Allah insists that you pray, not in your native language; or why your prayers with Allah always seem to be empty, pointless and one-way. Come out to freedom, and leave all these meaningless rituals behind. Stop misdirecting your sweet and worthy prayers to a deity who simply is not either alive, or there. This is also a MUST READ for any Christian who doesn't believe in miracles, or who wants to meet Muslims face to face and learn about them.
MIRACLE OF MIRACLES is a young upper class Iranian girl's stirring true testimony about how Jesus Christ found her and her husband in Tehran, and how and why they had to escape Iran to avoid execution by radical Muslims. Their crime? They converted from Islam to Christianity. Rejected by her family who she loves, and an utter outcast in her homeland, Mina and her husband made a harrowing journey across the mountains to Turkey, then to Europe, and lastly to America.
RECOMMENDED DVDs
Historically accurate:
See more about this DVD HERE
See more about this DVD http://BibleProbe.com/DVD.htm
This very well produced dramatic film follows the story of Samir Majan, a young man born and raised a Muslim in the Middle East who attended college in America. After receiving a degree from a university in Chicago, he begins his trip back home to see his family. But something has drastically changed in the young man’s life since coming to the States. As his welcoming committee awaits his arrival, the young man’s fear and concern is overwhelming. Samir knows trouble and persecution lie ahead because he has done the unthinkable. Samir has become....a Christian.
Knowing how hard it would be for some to break away from life long bonds to different customs/traditions/religions; but yet so important to gain eternal life --- this is what Jesus meant when He said the following:
Matthew 10:35
For I came to turn A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 10:37 The person who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; the person who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
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