Re: What must I do to have eternal life for sure

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Posted by Robert W Evans on July 03, 2005 at 12:02:19:

In Reply to: Re: What must I do to have eternal life for sure posted by Darryl on July 03, 2005 at 11:56:14:

[My answers to the latest post are in brackets]

Even satan and his demons believes that Jesus is the son of God. Now does that mean they are saved by believing? Of course not! Then why not?

[Classic error. Going to another passage does not refute what the first passage says. That’s not how you were taught to read]

1). Because they do not love God or their neighbors, and they do not practice Jesus teachings either.

[The context of James chapter to is not the same as Acts 16:31. They are speaking of two kinds of salvation. The first: unto eternal life, the second: the saving of ones physical life and its value. The key is context, context, context.

Besides that, the demons are not offered the gospel of salvation unto eternal life anyway. So even if good deeds are part of what it takes to receive eternal life, and it is not, the demons are not given that chance anyway!!!!

Secondly, the 'demons-believe' verse is spoken by an objector to doing good works and is refuted by author James. So you cannot use what the objector said to support doing good works when he is opposed to it!!

Again you have taken this out of context.

Suggest you review your study of this passage here:

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/saved_by_works.htm



See Two Greatest Commandments MT 22:36-40, and see JN 8:31 and see MT 7:24)

[Again a classic error of going elsewhere when you don’t like what a passage in Acts 16:31 says: faith alone in Christ alone + nothing else stipulated and you are saved.

Furthermore, none of these three passages refutes what Acts 16:31 says. You’ve simply misread them all. God commands a lot of things but none but believing are in order to receive eternal life!!!]



2). They also never repented of their sins (See MT 3:12 MT 11:20, MK 6:12 and etc

[Repenting of ones sins is not a requirement to be saved.

Even if it were - and it is not, Acts 16:31 does not stipulate anything but a moment of faith alone in Christ alone + nothing else. You cannot make Acts 16:31 say anything else but that a moment of faith alone in Christ alone is all that is required to be saved.

Furthermore, the word repent or any of its cognates do not even appear in the gospel of John which is the best book to go to understand what one must do to have eternal life.

Suggest you review what the bible teaches about repentance = a change of mind from not believing to believing in Christ as Savior:

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/repent.htm]




Don't forget the rest of the scriptures, like so many do...........

[Another classic mistake. You don’t have to take any or every other verse in the bible under consideration in order to determine what one verse or passage says.

That’s an absurd point of view which leads to the impossibility that no verse can be understood unless all verses are taken into consideration. But then all verses cannot be taken under consideration until the first verse can be understood – circular reasoning that leads no where.

On the other hand, the meaning of each verse is to be discerned in accordance with the normative rules of language, context and logic that you learned in school - within the framework of its own passage, not some other passage! Once you open up your bible, you don’t throw those rules away!!! So what Paul says in Acts 16:31 says is not dependent upon what James said much later in time in 2:19-21. Acts 16:31 is dependent upon the who, what, why, where, when, to whom of it that is evident in the context of Acts chapter 16 and the relevant passages before it in the book of Acts. It is not dependent upon what James was going to say later on when he wrote his epistle. How could it be!!!]



So it takes more than just believing in Jesus to be saved.

[The bible stipulates in more than 150 places that a moment of faith alone in Christ alone + nothing else and you have eternal life forever. The absurdity is that once one has immediate possession of life everlasting never to lose it because it is by definition forever once received; how can one insist that something else needs to be done in order to receive that which one has already and forever received! Here are just a few:

I) [Jn 3:14-18]:

II) [Eph 2:8-9]:

III) [Jn 6:27-29]:

IV) [Jn 1:12-13]:

V) [Jn 3:36]:

VI) [Heb 5:9b]:

VII) Jn 6:27-29]:

VIII) [1 Pet 1:17-23]:

IX) [Jn 5:24]:

X) [Jn 6:47]:

XI) [Jn 11:25-26]:

XII) [Jn 20:31]:

XIII) [1 Jn 5:1]:

XIV) [1 Jn 5:9-13]:

XV) [Eph 1:13-14]:

XVI) [Acts 10:43]:

XVII) [Acts 13:38-39]:

XVIII) [Acts 16:30]:

XIX) [Ro 1:16]:

XX) [Ro 3:22-26b]:

XXI) [Ro 4:1-5]:

XXII) [Ro 5:1]:

XXIII) [Ro 10:11-14]:

XXIV) [Gal 3:6-9, 14]:

XXV) [2 Thes 2:13]:

XXVI) [2 Tim 1:9]:

XXVII) [Gal 3:22]:

XXVIII) [Phil 3:9]:

XXIX) [1 Pet 1:3-5]:]

Jesus said our righteousness must be greater than the pharisees in order to enter heaven.

[And it is - as declared by God when one simply believes. Just check out Romans 3:21-31 and you will see that this righteousness comes from God as a gift to the one who believes:

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/ro3.htm ]

We must also humble our selves like little children in order to enter heaven.

[Another passage you have taken out of context. That is simply referring how children simply believe and don’t complicate or contaminate the gospel by adding more to it that what God asks: to come to Him as a child would and simply believe in His Son and you will assuredly have eternal life.]

We also must endure to the end in order to be able to enter into heaven

[Out of context again. You cannot add to what another passage in Acts 16:31 says and you read into the passage, ‘to be able to enter into heaven’. The endurance/persevere passages are not about getting to heaven but about being saved from an early physical death by enduring to the end.

Suggest you restudy the endure, perserve passages more carefully. The studies listed at this link will help you:

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/indxe.htm#endure

We must also hold to Jesus teachings, and do not practice sin in order to enter into heaven.

[There is no passage in the bible that stipulates this and more than 150 that refute it.]

There is many scriptures about who will and will not enter heaven. So many people seems to forget the rest of the scriptures, and because of that they are decieved about what does it take to enter heaven.

[This repeats your classic error. You cannot suspend the normal way language is to be read to suit your agenda. More than 150 passage stipulate a moment of faith alone in Christ alone and you are saved forever unto eternal life. No passage refutes this. You do not have to master the whole bible to understand what one verse is saying. No one has yet mastered the whole bible or major portions of it, except perhaps me, (lol) – so if this were the case, then no one could be saved, including yourself. So if you insist on this approach you condemn yourself!]

Need to know where those scriptures are at? read Jesus teachings, the four gospels in its entireity if you are sincere in the faith.

[I have and also add to that a thorough understanding of the epistles as well as most of the OT. No where does it demand what you suggest: to take many or all passages of the bible into consideration in the determination of what one must do to have eternal life. ]

So let's try and keep the who, what, why, where, when, how, to whom of it in mind when studying anything. Context, context, context.



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